Jesus & Gen-Z: Impacting the Next Generation (with Jordan Whitmer)

Jesse:
Welcome back to Go Mad. Today we are go mad with Doug and Brad minus Doug, but a very big plus with our guest, Jordan Whitmer. At 23 years old, Jordan is already a ministry veteran.

Having started his ministry, How to Life while he was a junior in high school. Jordan is all about reaching Generation Z with the gospel, and he shares some helpful and practical insight into the ups and downs of his generation. Jordan also hosts the podcast Gen Z Today, which you should definitely check out after this episode.

Just click the link in the show notes. Ready? Let's go, Matt!

Brad:
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, welcome back to GoMad with Doug and Brad. However, Jesse, as you could tell from looking in here, it is not Doug and Brad today, is it? No. No, nope.

We are going to be talking today about something pretty cool. We're going to be talking about how to make a difference. and have an impact with the next generation.

And we're going to be talking with someone who's a bit of an expert in that. I'm just going to be honest. I'm I he is an amazing young man.

His name's Jordan Whitmer. And we're going to bring him in in just a minute here. I do need to tell people Doug is in Arizona right now.

If we remember, I was there a few weeks ago. No, evidently we don't like traveling together. We like doing this together, but The uh he actually is keeping a promise right now.

His wife is Anna, and Doug and Anna are there together with their family because there's a young lady, Navajo young lady, one of Anna's relatives. who she told school's been a bit of a challenge for her.

Jesse:
Okay.

Brad:
And Anna told her, if you graduate from high school, when you graduate from high school, I will be there. I promise I'm coming to your graduation. So she graduated this weekend, so they are out there right now.

Jesse:
That is quite a promise.

Brad:
Isn't that awesome? I mean, so that we've been getting pictures and that's really cool. But it's definitely graduation season. Have you been to any Jesse?

Jesse:
Uh, no, I've still got some years to go and I'm I'm Still you graduate? Yes.

Brad:
Should you tell us things? Yeah, so We I actually I just was at a graduation. Uh last night my niece graduated from high school and she's headed off to Bioli University.

Pretty awesome. She's got some scholarship stuff coming her way too, but this is a time of year where people are talking all about, man, this next generation. I sat through the speeches last night.

You can do it. And you know, all this rah-rah and everything else, which is cool, but we're gonna go a little deeper today. Uh I've got a random question before I do, though, Jesse.

Have you ever babysat someone? Your own kids don't count. Have you ever babysat kids outside of your children?

Jesse:
Well, actually, um If I think way back to either when my wife and I were first married or maybe even before that, I think we babysat your kids once.

Brad:
You did.

Jesse:
They might they might have been like really tiny at that point, but I'm pretty sure that happened.

Brad:
I actually think I may be wrong on this, so it's really weird I'm bringing it up in a podcast where you might have to edit this out when we're done. No, uh I think they they drew a picture or something. I think you and Tara babysat them together when you were expecting.

Oh and you had them draw a picture. So when we got home, there was this picture of this baby and everything. We're just like, whoa!

Yes. That's how we broke the news to you that we were having our first child. That's crazy.

So I had forgotten that till you just mentioned that there. I have two babysitting stories. One is a horror story, the other is not.

I'll tell it really fast. My first babysitting gig, there we are. I am like, I get there and they're like, okay, just a couple rules, don't watch too much TV, yada yada.

And I was a new babysitter. I'm like, well, they're watching TV because that's going to keep them quiet. But Guess what?

There I am, and I quickly learned as they were changing channels and fighting back and forth. This was, I mean, I had to control myself here because I evidently learned that the older child, who was probably an eight-year-old boy, watched wrestling as he drop kicked his sister from the chair to the couch. He would he jumped off his chair, dropkicked her, and I'm like, I'm out.

Never babysitting again.

Jesse:
This is I can't do this. So you took you took you took the role of the ref there.

Brad:
I really did. I it was but then My brother-in-law and sister, Rick and Lisa, they say, Would you babysit Jordan? Now, Jordan Whitmer is my nephew, but as you're gonna quickly learn, there is so much more to him.

than my nephew uh or Ron Hutchcraft's grandson that also works together there, but he has got an amazing story to tell. But I got to babysit Jordan and I I'm I'm gonna bring in here Jordan, welcome to Go Mad with Doug and Brad. I am very excited to be here.

Uncle Brad.

Jordan:
He asked me not to call him Uncle Brad on this podcast.

Brad:
Oh wow. I pulled up this picture, Jesse. It is me holding little Jordan on my chest there.

He is sleeping. Now the reason that is a great picture is he wasn't. He was not sleeping for a long time. I had to it mom and dad left.

I mean, he is probably what, probably three months there? I you're pretty young. You remember it.

Jordan:
You remember what you remember.

Brad:
So he was crying for a while, and as babies are known to do. And so I think I sang Jesus Loves Me. 47 times in a row.

And I'm bouncing him. I'm walking around. And uh there he was.

He finally fell asleep. And I remember that. And uh it was but we have been connected for a lot of years because yes We like talking baseball.

We like talking about other stuff, but most importantly, we have a heart for making a difference. Jordan, I gotta ask you, that started really young for you. Um, and it started, I like to think, with where I think we need to start with the meat and potatoes of this.

And by meat and potatoes, I mean veggies Obviously. Oh. Veggie Tales.

Let's talk about Veggie Tales because you started from early on, you had a good grid for what was good and to watch and not watch. VeggieTales was your go-to. For how many years?

How many years do you think?

Jordan:
Oh yeah, I I I believe that VeggieTales was peak entertainment and again started in the nineties before I was born and then and then it got there there there were no more good episodes Following 2007. So everything from ninety-eight to two thousand seven, I was an active, avid veggie tail smoker.

Brad:
I'm pretty sure Phil Visher listens to this podcast.

Jordan:
I'm just kidding. The Moses one. It's niche, but like that was the last that I say was like that was good.

Brad:
You didn't like when they did the computer the the I mean the three D generated ones and all that, those were weird.

Jordan:
Awful. And it's only gotten worse. I mean it wasn't terrible after two thousand seven, but it now it then it got terrible.

Brad:
But it was good through three years.

Jordan:
Who was your go to veggie?

Brad:
If you could have met one veggie, well you did meet some in person, actually. Well We won't get into that. But uh if you could hang with one veggie and just say, I'm gonna spend a day traveling New York City with them, who would it be?

Jordan:
Yeah, well, it it's tricky because I think each and every one of us have a Bob the Tomato and Larry the Cucumber side of our personality. It really just depends. And uh I mean I probably have more in common with Bob the Tomato, but also Larry the cucumber energy sometimes as well. Jesse, could you make note for a future episode?

Brad:
Have Jordan back on and we will title it Are You Bob or Are You Larry? I just want to talk. We can he can walk us through that.

Jesse:
All of the millennials will tune in. Maybe we can have Bob or Larry.

Brad:
Oh, that would be awesome. I have to tell you. That is fine because you have all these personality test and the only one I want to take right now is are you Bob or Larry.

Jesse:
I feel like there should be some other options too. I mean Archibald I feel like is a solid choice.

Brad:
Yes, Junior. I yep we could go with that. So, all right, so we've got the veggies out of the way, but um you also were a young man growing up that yeah, you really you spent a lot of time with Jesus.

You were journaling at an early age, you were making sure that daily You were meeting with Jesus. And folks, if you're listening, this was really out of the ordinary because it wasn't just, hey, I'm I'm this like Yeah, 16 year old that went to a youth conference and I got a challenge to do this. He started way young.

Do you remember when you started actually?

Jordan:
Yeah. Well, I mean, I began following Jesus at the age of three and a half. I very much remember that.

And at the age of five, I was baptized on one of the On Eagleswings trips in Washington. You were there, you were part of it. Which is amazing.

And uh uh so those are big milestones. And then kind of all throughout those early years I would off and on do like Jesus time stuff. But then when when I was about eleven in 2009, I made a commitment to get in God's word every single day and have mostly kept that up ever since.

and uh journaling every morning, just something and it's not always like hours and hours at a time. Sometimes it's just fifteen minutes, but it it's fifteen minutes every day i can make a huge difference and I know it has for me.

Brad:
Yeah, and now I'm gonna fast forward through a couple things here because Jordan, over the years, you have had some you know, you were talented with playing some baseball and you enjoyed baseball and you were a really talented musician. You played trumpet on a national anthem before some uh major league baseball games and everything. But then we get to high school.

And I you're gonna have to even remind me what year it was in high school, but here we are, and this is where kind of we move past the, you know nephew and I babysat him in VeggieTale stuff to really the heart and soul of what makes Jordan tick. And you were there. Tell us a little bit about your high school hope story.

You started this club, but then it moved to something much more beyond just your high school.

Jordan:
Yeah, yeah. No, I I'd I'd help lead different things growing up, Bible clubs and uh see you at the poll prayer rally, just like all the stuff that I felt like were ways to do some strategic outreach to uh my my high school in in Arkansas, but but then my junior year, so this was December of tw November and December of twenty fourteen, middle of the school year, I realized I had a year and a half left of high school and I wanted to do something more to reach my friends, my peers. So I was sixteen.

And uh and we began the process of planning an event uh that came to be known as how to life. And uh it started with just me and about four of us around my dining room table praying that God would move in our city, in our town. And uh and he really did.

Had over we had over seven hundred and fifty people that came out to a how the first ever how to life event uh that took place in Arkansas and had uh A bunch of young people attend an event of music and stories and testimonies, hope stories about the difference that Jesus has made in their lives. And uh about seventy-five young people that night. uh came forward during the invitation uh that I was able to help uh officiate and give the invitation at the end of the event.

Uh there was an amazing response of young people wanting to follow Jesus. And uh and I still remember that day and and to this day, uh, that that that night changed. My life had changed many lives in terms of just knowing how the Lord can work in the next generation and and also just the evident need in the next generation.

Come to find out uh two years later, uh we started calling that generation, my generation, Generation Z. And so I'm not a millennial, I'm not Gen X, I'm not a boomer. I'm a I am a uh a part of Gen Z at the very beginning. And and that's today's young people who have such a need and there was a need back when I was in high school and I believe the need is even more pronounced now amongst the young people of America and all over the world.

Uh since then, how to life's grown into a global ministry with events uh all over the US, twenty-three states and six countries as of this recording. Now we're adding a couple states uh yet this month, which is really, really cool. Uh Maryland and Indiana will be up to twenty-five states by the end of this school year.

Brad:
Let me know uh when you need help with the Hawaii one. I'm there. I the That's what everyone says.

We talk about that with on Eagles Wings. Everyone's always like, When you go there, let me know. It's like, mm, I don't know.

But we are uh it it is amazing because as I'm standing here listening to you, quite as I was there at the first How to Life event. I got to see some of this emerge in your heart and got to see w some of those early days of it. But what I can tell you is first of all, I it it hits me that you're here sharing about this.

But you're not usually the voice. You are not usually the person that's like, hey, I want to be out there and I'm going to be the upfront guy. This is some people start a ministry.

And they're like, I'm doing this because I got something to say. I want to be known. I want all this different stuff.

But Jordan, your heart is different because what's been the case from the very beginning. Is that you want to help other people realize who they can be in Jesus so that they can make an impact for their generation? We're going to talk about that in just a minute.

But that's something that's really unique because you don't see that a lot in today's world of someone that is all about lifting up other people and empowering other people from the get-go. I love the name how to life because it's really just it's what they're trying to do. You're trying to teach and show these Gen Zers Is it okay, Gen Zers?

Is that offensive? Am I okay? I just had to make sure.

You know, the other one. But I'll tell you that it is it's great because you're teaching them how to life, how to do these things. One of the things though that I want to make sure people hear today from you is all the time uh there's this old saying that some of the best exercise we get is jumping to conclusions.

Ha ha all right anyway, yeah you can there laugh track there. Um but it is that's what I I heard that say a long time ago And it's really true when people talk about the younger generation, whether it's millennials or Gen Z or whatever, it's just like whether it's work ethic or the gaming they do and this is all they're interested in or whatever it might be. And we want to get the real deal from someone who's living it.

You're not just part of Gen Z. You are doing life with them. You're part of this. You're there day in, day out.

So talk to us. What what should people know? What is the reality of who is Gen Z?

Jordan:
Yeah. So Generation Z, statistic well, like officially speaking, actually nobody really knows exactly what year it starts and when it ends, but the years I say are anyone born between nineteen ninety seven and two thousand twelve. That I say that partly because I'm born in 98 and I want to have one buffer year for sure being considered Gen Z. Sometimes I consider myself a zillenial But I'm not a millennial, but I also like I remember things like dial up internet and and VHS, whereas the high majority of Gen Z do not.

And I was alive during nine eleven, but I don't remember nine eleven. So like that's th those are things whereas most of today's young people weren't even alive During nine eleven they weren't. Yeah. Yeah, whereas millennials remember vividly as anyone older would as well.

And uh and just so so much. But Yeah, Gen Z is considered by many things that define Gen Z. Yeah, a lot of people talk about obviously the rise in technology has been exponential. It's staggering the difference of where we were at in uh uh in 2000 m uh m much less the nineteen seventies and sixties and fifties in terms of how far uh society has come and and Gen Z for the most part has grown up on social media and technology.

And there are some studies out there that have talked about that like a lot of generations have a defining moment, like for the baby boomers. It was Woodstock and summer of nineteen sixty nine and all these things. It's like, yeah, all these like defining moments and uh Gen X and Millennials have similar sorts of things, but for Gen Z, uh, we've had not just two major defining moments that are probably greater than any other defining moments of previous generations.

There's it's really been three now. One is the rise of smartphones. Smartphones alone have completely changed the way that everything works and the way that life operates.

Uh i iPhones and Androids and everything. I mean that w that's a absolute game changer. And then also the rise of social media.

Put those together at the same time and you get a whirlwind of really messing over a generation mentally and in a lot of different ways. And uh usually social media is a bad thing for young people. Now we use it for incredible good with the How to Life movement and working with young people, but I I will readily admit that for the most part social media is is wreaking havoc, not just on young people, but all the generations and then uh but is a necessary thing, but we also and then and then the and then the pandemic.

So throw that in there too. And you have a generation with the worst mental health statistics. pretty much of any American generation all time.

Uh the uh the worst statistics, anxiety, depression, suicide, it's awful. And uh and then also uh more than more than all, the most important factor is uh that is very sad and sobering is that Gen Z is the least Christian generation in US history with only four percent of American young people having a uh biblical worldview. Yeah, according to Barna and their big 2018 study when people were starting to really figure out what Gen Z was.

So that's one out of every twenty five young people. that you meet out and about on the street that truly, truly probably really knows what it means to follow Christ. And I'm glad it's at least something because uh to four percent is actually that's that's There's that that's a large minority, but at the same time, it's not a lot.

It's sobering that the high majority of young people don't know what it means to follow Christ, probably don't follow Christ at all. And uh and and there's such a need amongst these young people.

Brad:
Yeah, and I even as I was sitting at graduation last night and hearing them talk about that, man, the things that they're the speeches they're giving about having been this class that navigated through the pandemic and they're graduating after this and everything else. And knowing that what you're saying is so spot on that There was a toll that was taken because it wasn't just all of a sudden it wasn't just about technology and social media, but they had to do that. That was that's all they had.

And so it just the places where there are problems with that, it magnified that and this isolation and the we see on the news all the time the challenges with mental health with that generation. But So we we hear all of that and it could leave some people saying, wow, 4%, where's there, where's the hope in this? Tell us about some of the Gen Z young people you know and where what you're seeing in them that people can say, man, I can grab on to the hope that is there.

Jordan:
Yeah, so there there's a lot of hope that I observe through through young people. And uh as we've already shared a little bit about uh my the ministry that I helped start the How to Life movement. We uh a big uh principle within the How to Life movement that makes it distinctive from most other things that we observe is that it is it it is a Gen Z led ministry movement.

It's it's all led by teens and and and some young twenty somethings these days, but teens and twenty somethings reaching people in our generation because Who do young people listen to more than anyone else in their life? Other people like them. Teens listen to teens.

Gen Z listens to Gen Z. And uh Yeah, and and and and we've seen a lot of things through both yes we've we we've helped mobilize some really unique initiatives and and events. that have had uh hundreds of young people attending uh events led by students and and here you students get on stage and share their stories about the difference that Jesus has made in their life. Lots of hope stories.

Yeah, for a two hours, something along the bat.

Brad:
Real hope stories. I mean, I wanna I think of the team we travel with in the summer, the ones wings team members. It's very similar in that they are very real.

They are sharing deep hurts. They are not just saying I once did bad things. And then I found Jesus.

They were saying, I, whether it was facing this abuse or I had this depression, I had suicidal thoughts, I dealt with whatever substances, I dealt with these things. But here's the good news to my generation as they're saying talking to them, I found hope and his name is Jesus. And that is so powerful because it is tribe to tribe.

It is them saying, hey, you know what? I know that I have been lost, but I am found and I want to help other people see. And it is powerful that model.

I've seen some of the young people and been able to talk with some of them that you work with. Oh my goodness. It is a breath of fresh air in a world that is so down on, well, they need, you know, we gotta be careful because they they're we don't know.

They've got to learn stuff, everything else. We all know. Hey, there's Growing up and there's training and everything, but they are wanting to go out and make a difference.

So I've seen these incredible young people, and you work with them on a daily basis. I guess it sounds like a group of people that really need someone to come alongside them. Yes.

Not just tell them what to do, but help them do what they are already doing. That that are able to encourage them and help equip them. For those who are listening to this, you know, I probably a lot of them are around my age and are saying they might be older, maybe a little younger, but they're looking and saying, how can I make a difference?

How can I have an impact in the life of a Gen Z young person or several Gen Z young people? What are ways people can practically walk away from this and make a difference with that Gen Z young person in their life?

Jordan:
There are many young people in this next generation who want to make a difference, but they often don't know how. They don't know where to get started and and exactly what that looks like to be able to serve Jesus. There's a lot of young people who Like for the for the people within that four percent they they they they go to church, they hear their pastor talk about America every week and like, oh, like America's going in a negative direction.

We need the next generation to rise up. And there are young people who are like, Yeah, well here am I sending me. What do I need to do?

And I feel like we drop the ball time and time again just because we don't necessarily help empower uh the the young people in that way. Like they're young people doing incredible things, whether it's planning events or doing social media ministry. That's another thing that's been really amazing to see take place.

And Yeah, young people who are working hard that have a voice to reach the next generation that the older generations might not have in terms of straight up evangelism of reaching the next generation, but what the older generation can do and what I and other Gen Z young people want to invite the older generations to do is to invest and to pour into young people. I put up a poll on our Instagram page for How to Life Movement uh c uh last year. And I ask some questions just to kind of interview uh young people and and we had about a thousand we have about a thousand people usually or hundreds at least that participate in these polls.

One of the questions I asked was, how many of you, these are primarily Christian, growing young Christian uh Gen Z kids, how many of you have at least one person over the age of 40 pouring into your life? And investing into you. 60% said, yeah, yeah, I I I do.

40% said no, not really. That's almost half of Gen Z Christian young people, based on the people we interact with, that don't have anyone over the age of forty pouring into them.

Brad:
Yeah, which puts you in a pretty lonely place. It puts you in a spot where it is just you feel kind of on this island because The world's telling you one thing and you're trying to live the right way and you need someone to come alongside you. I get this picture in my head, and I can't remember if I mentioned this before on the podcast, but I I'm like what three years old?

Maybe I don't know. Somewhere around there. And I'm in our backyard and there's a tent set up back there.

And you've seen the picture because it makes the rounds all the time. But I there is this tent set up in the backyard. And all of a sudden, my mom sees, hey, something's about to happen here, and I need to get a picture of it.

She doesn't say stop. She says that something's about to happen here. And there is.

This pole that I just pull on and the tent falls down. I've got my hand on my head in this picture, and I just look all sad and everything. But there's something important that you look at there.

My mom could have yelled, quit it, stop right now. But I actually think part of it was she let me make a little bit of a mess. She let me have that moment of failure.

To help me learn how things work, to let me see how things go. What I have seen in Gen Z young people and other generations as well is that they bring some amazing things to the table. And guess what?

Sometimes they're gonna make a mess.

Jordan:
Oh yeah.

Brad:
Sometimes they're gonna fail in something. But if they've got people who are willing to let them do that, who are willing to say Here's what you need to do. Here's what my recommendations are.

Now go try it. Now let's come back and let's talk about it. What happened?

What did you see? What worked? What didn't work?

Because when they can learn through actually doing it and maybe yeah. Failing because they've got someone that's walking alongside them pouring into them, then they can really learn more of who they are in Christ and the skills he's given them. And they can learn some new things about themselves.

For someone who's saying, I want to pour in, not to put you on the spot here, but are there's a couple practical ways that they can pour in? I mean, uh obviously through the word of God and talk to them about that, but is it Hey, asking them to go get coffee, is it taking them to to Chick-fil-A? Is it ta whatever is it, is there some specific things they can do that what might be more of a connect that are more a natural way to just pour into them?

Jordan:
Yeah, so I would encourage anyone if you are a Generation X uh or older millennial or a No, baby boomer generation, if you are an adult and you want to invest and figure out some way to pour into young people, whether that's your own grandkids, whether that's your nieces and nephews, whether it's your or or or maybe even just young people that you aren't related to, but are in your area that are in your church or in in your community, I'd encourage you to to reach out to them and invite them to come alongside you in in in something. And that doesn't mean it has to be taking time out of your schedule. It could even be, hey, wanna come with me to work today?

Wanna come with me to uh along on this trip that I'm doing and uh right like there there there's no reason why uh uh you have to necessarily take uh hours out of your schedule. I mean yes also like it it it it certainly doesn't hurt to Grab coffee or take some of the Chick-fil-A and f w first off, Gen Z loves food and uh Gen Z doesn't have a lot of money usually. So If someone's willing to pay for food for them to go do something, they'll usually ninety percent of the time accept if they can make it work.

That's gold. Everybody wants free food. And uh so and and and that that can open a door and and I young people need to know that you believe in them.

And they don't want you to talk down to them. They want you to talk to them and genuinely show that you care and you want to hear from them. And it and it might take a little bit for them to fully warm up to you and trust you.

uh to as someone because young people are very skeptical, perhaps of older generations, but at the same time they are open and willing to to have this conversation and but they want you to be raw, talk about what did you struggle with when you were 18? What did you struggle with when you were young? And uh we don't need uh young people don't need uh fakeness or uh a front uh uh that they they they want to know that you are genuinely Uh, trying to be trying to be genuine and authentic with them.

Those are big trends with Gen Z. Authenticity and genuineness. Like uh you'll you'll see it on our social media. Young people post photo dumps and and it's not people looking polished and fresh.

It's just them just out and about vibing with their friends. Just living life and And they want life to be real and authentic. It just kinda just show what life looks like and uh and and and and the more that Like authenticity, that is probably at the center.

And if you can show that, and if you can show that uh from a Christ-like perspective, it's huge. And and yeah, I think I think there's so much that can be done.

Brad:
What I'm hearing as you're sharing this, and I know, man, time flies, and there's so much more we could get into. We're gonna have to have you back on because this is uh we're we're close to the end of time here, but You're I keep hearing the word genuine, and that is really important. What I'm hearing is also don't view them as a mission project.

Don't view them as this, okay, I'm going to carve out my time now and go I'm going to go have a little lunch with this person and then I can check that off my list. It's doing life for them. Your ministry is called How to Life.

You're trying to teach people how to life. What better way to learn that than walking alongside someone, investing in them, saying, hey, I'm going to Walmart today to get some Groceries, want to come with me? Can I buy you some groceries?

Holy cow, that'll build a bridge right there. But there to be able to say I'm doing life and to have some special moments, whether it's taking them for food or coffee or something, but to just Be genuine. Share the messy parts of your hope story.

Man, you have got to be real if you're gonna have an impact in these young people who are looking for someone who's Real. You've got to let them know I messed up, but I know how to come through it and I can help you through those moments. Jordan, before we wrap up here, let me ask you this.

Is there anything else you'd want to add, but especially tell people how they can find out more about How to Life? Because this is an incredible organization. to come alongside to yes find out you can pray from but to also partner with financially if you're able to the these are young people who need those who believe in them so anything else you'd say about Making a difference in Gen Z and especially how people can find out more about how to life.

Jordan:
Absolutely. I'd encourage each and every one of you, just to summarize all this, uh if you can show that you believe in young people and have a heart to turn them loose and to give them leadership, give them opportunities, even if it seems hard, even if it seems like something that might not make sense and oh they could fail. Well we have to be able to turn the next generation loose.

I know for me, I'm twenty three years old and I'm already passionate about empowering people younger than me. I'm not trying to see these platforms for myself. I'm trying to open up doors for younger people because and I want them to do the same for the next generation for Gen Z, Gen Alpha coming up next and and even more in the future.

But If you want to get connected with the How to Life movement, it's really, really special what the Lord's doing through Gen Z young people. You can visit how to lifemovement. com.

And if you are on Instagram or your young people that you are in are in your family are on Instagram, uh at how to life movement is our Instagram page. Also, I have my own podcast, the Gen Z Today podcast. And if you want to hear some practical conversations with me interviewing a lot of Gen Z next generation leaders all the time, I'd encourage you to check that out and listen to Gen Z Today.

Brad:
And I encourage you to check out that podcast as well. Jordan has got some great guests on there talking about really what it's like to be someone who is Gen Z in today's world. Go check that out.

Check out how to life. And I love this verse. 1 John 2.

14. I write to you, young men, because you are strong and the word of God lives in you and you have overcome the evil one. Try to come alongside someone even this next week, take some practical steps to help them see that the Word of God is alive in them.

And if they don't have that yet. Tell them about the Jesus you love, and then do life for them to help them see how they can overcome these attacks of the evil one that come fast and furious at Gen Z. But you can make a difference because you have heard direct from someone who is making a difference how that can happen. So that brings us to the end of another GoMad episode.

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