Discovering God's Plan: The Warrior Worship Story

Brad:
Welcome everyone to some summer fun on Go Mad with Doug and Is that a guarantee? It is a gear on the game.

Doug:
Are we going to have summer fun today?

Brad:
We are because today, now we mentioned last week.

Doug:
That's what that beach ball is for. Oh wait. We're on camera now. People are then making that up. Got it.

Brad:
Deleted. So w today we're gonna be talking about I'm actually gonna get the opportunity here. We said we're gonna do some interviews in the coming weeks and I get to interview Doug and Jesse today and you're gonna hear some things from them you have not heard from them before about their stories and kind of uh especially using their gifts in a certain way

Doug:
It's pretty crazy stuff in there.

Brad:
It is. We're going to talk about Warrior Leadership Summit and Warrior Worship. But before we get to so stay tuned because we're our prayer today, we just were praying this. is that you will have some great takeaway today of how you can find some make a difference moments in discovering God's will in your life, using your gifts for his glory.

Doug:
Yeah, that's our our prayer is that uh even Brad we even in Jesse when I was um talking about some of this with Anna with my wife Just uh amazed at how God does his thing. Uh it it very seldom is uh written up the way that we would have written it up. He's got Uh many are the plans in a man's heart, but it's the Lord's will that prevails.

So yeah, I I hope with our discussion that that um if you're listening today that you'll hear some maybe you've got a big decision. uh in your life that you're not sure what to do. Maybe it doesn't it's not uh doesn't look to you like the hugest decision.

Maybe God's asking you to to lead something at your church or something um uh unexpected has come along. So I hope that that while we talk today, as you're listening, you'll uh maybe some of this will make a difference. for you in your life uh as you're facing some decisions too.

Brad:
So we talk about summer and uh there's a lot last episode we talked a lot about summer When we're leading into some, do you guys have any like summer memories or or things you're even looking forward to? This like what's a what's a core m they say core memories? What's a Burns?

Burns. Burns Okay. Sunburn.

Doug:
Sun Sunburn. Scotty. Context.

I have to be very careful in the summer. Um I You do you're you're you're you're Quite pasty. I'm sorry.

I know and this is me with a tan. Um I use SPF forty-three thousand You may not have you might go, oh, they don't sell that. They do, but you have to climb up a Tibetan mountain.

Wow About six thousand feet up there's a guy selling it out of his trunk.

Brad:
Wait, wait, wait, wait. So there's a guy who's driven. I don't know how we got him. You have to walk.

Doug:
And you have to walk. Your story is full of bulbs right now. I don't but basically if I if I Sorry.

Basically if I walk out Do our get our mail in the front yard. I come back and Anna's like, You are sizzling. What happened?

And I'm like, Oh, I'm hot. No. No, you're well yes, but it's because your skin is Yeah, you know what?

Brad:
I the sunburn was a problem for me because growing up I had I I've I've you know, I've never been the most uh even when I was in better shape and everything, never been the most secure with the shirt off kind of guy, like walking, strutting around the beach. So I would have on at least like kind of those uh they were called when I was growing up in New Jersey, guinea tease. So you had like kind of the Sleeveless shirts and everything else.

No, I don't even know. They still may be called that. They probably named after guinea pigs.

But that would leave when you got burned. The tan line was the worst. It was like that is then you have no choice.

You can't take off the shirt because it's like, no, I will look like a fool.

Doug:
So that's that kind of sounds like a good country song. Never been too secure with my shirt off. Now I am.

My wife says My wife says after winter, my legs are so white Wow. I'm actually grateful they're behind the table right now. Um at least for me.

Oh, Brad said pasty. No, he's he's less so than us, but uh yeah.

Jesse:
Yeah, uh Summer. I don't know why I just thought of this. Uh do y'all remember Tomahawk Lake in New Jersey? I don't. Okay. Well, so um I you just mentioned summer core memories and I just remember going to this lake that had these water slides, and it's probably before like water slide regulations were c set in place in terms of safety.

Doug:
Regulate in the eighties regulations.

Jesse:
It was like kind of just Basically what my memory of these water slides was this is awesome and it's probably not safe. And it probably doesn't exist today as as it was, but man. They went fast.

Doug:
It sounds like the action park water slides.

Brad:
He grew up near Action Park, so this was right in line with that. If you don't know Action Park, just Google. Google it.

Doug:
We don't have time, right? It's why there are rules now, let's just put it that way. Yeah.

Brad:
And lawyers. So I actually, when I I've got a lot of great memories from the summer, but for the last over 30 years my summer I'm gonna do air quotes for those who are not watching vacation uh my summer vacation my summer vacation has been the same thing. I hop in an R V uh with my family and It's better just to travel or sit in a nope.

I hop. I that's why we have an R V and Am I getting helpful right now? You are not.

Um we we travel with a team of Native American young people called the On Eagles Wings team. Awesome thing, man. We'll get to talk, I think, more this summer later about the On Eagles Wings hope team.

But it all starts with Warrior Leadership Summit, which is a conference where we welcome hundreds, over 500, sometimes up to 700, Native young people from across North America. And they come together for five days of just hearing more about who Jesus is, how they can live for him, just incredible. Yeah, they can feel identity too.

Yeah, absolutely. So it's an incredible few days together. That kicks off just a few days after this podcast will launch.

And we're so excited to see what God's gonna do this year.

Doug:
So you're saying WLS, I've kind of always have looked at Warrior Leadership Summit as like the seed of on Eagle's wings. Because because so many times the Un Eagles Wings team members come out of Warrior Leadership Summit because of something amazing God has done in their heart there. True.

And and then and then on this team for a month that is going and sharing the reason uh some people have used the words missions history because of the courage of these native young people that are going and sharing with their own people about Jesus. And uh that's why amazing things are happening because of their courage. So it's it where Leadership Summit is just an an amazing place.

Uh it's so awesome seeing our native brothers and sisters in Christ. realizing they're not alone, uh what they can feel very alone on their uh on a reservation or in a native community that might not know a lot about Jesus.

Brad:
Yeah, and we're gonna uh zoom in a little bit on one aspect of warrior leadership some today, because it ties into both your guys' story, some. Um this is uh it It we've had incredible teaching at Wari Leadership some for years, and that's a core part of what we do. But also along with that is setting the stage through worship.

And so we've had Different uh worship teams through the years. Doug, you've always been a key part of helping lead worship at WLS. But then a few years ago, we had started using the phrase Warrior worship.

Um now it's not typically worship music. Yes, worship music. Sorry, yeah, for worship music and uh so be so we can talk more about it Doug, why don't you tell us what when I when we say warrior worship today, what is that uh we're not worshiping warriors.

Uh this is about what is this about?

Doug:
Very simply, uh we when we uh start um when you watch a uh music video uh that's done by Warrior Worship. What you'll see right at the beginning is empowering leaders, magnifying Jesus. And um about twelve years ago, for years and years um Uh when we would have these um these feedback forms from um at the end of where leadership summit, the kids just kept saying we want to be able to bring home the worship experience with us.

Um we had and and it happened so many years, it was requested so many times. I had a background in in music. Jesse has a big background in music, um, an amazing talented guy.

And we just said maybe we should give this a shot and without going into all the details, we went and talked with an amazing producer, a guy who actually played with Mercy Me. um uh and um and is a is a highly sought producer. We're like he'll never do it.

We he doesn't know who we are. He heard Native America. He already had that kind of um idea for ministry in his heart the Lord really put it together at a cheesecake factory.

Wow where where the Lord moves plenty. And and uh so the idea, just the bottom line really is there are so many Native American young people that have amazing giftings in lots of ways. Oh yeah.

But sp i in in many ways, just the creativity, you know, uh this is an artistic Native Americans are known to be amazing artisans and artists. And that includes music. And it's it's uh sad sometimes you'll hear we we'll it it we're a Leadership Summit, we there's a um kind of a talent show and you'll hear um a Native American brother or sister uh singing or playing guitar and you go, That is an amazing voice.

That what a gift they have. And that's the only time, like that one time that anyone knows and hears it, and that's just a a crime to me. Uh so we'll go and we'll ask him, hey, do you would you like to be involved with this Warrior Worship.

So we've seen um over the last eleven years, this was our eleventh project. Every year we do a a um an original worship music project where Jesse and I and and our native friends write the music, record the music, and then and then lead it uh at Ware Leadership Summit and in other places during the year. And what we've seen is now many native young people being um uh brought up in their gifts.

the Lord really working in their life, and now we're seeing them doing the same thing as God tends to do with other native leaders that have musical giftings. And then of course, but the real the the most bottom line is to honor our great Savior and um hopefully write songs. What's great about being able well why do it why do an original?

Why why write these yourself? We're able to write specifically for our audience of Native American young people and some of the things they go through and then applying the truths of Scripture and our Savior. uh into those songs.

J what about you, Jesse?

Brad:
Well uh yeah I actually have a question for Jesse here. Uh but I'm gonna give you a second to think about it because they don't know Doug and Jesse don't know all the questions I'm gonna ask here today. Uh so Jesse, my question just a moment for you is what's a what's one story you've seen with a native young person uh who's been involved with warrior worship projects and just kind of how you've

Doug:
I'm gonna give Jesse a a couple seconds to think about that and say Stay tuned because how we get to this point is quite a story. And you're gonna hear things for your own um ideas for your own walk and the own questions you might be having about uh what God is uh asking you to do in your life.

Brad:
This is like one of those stories where you see the ending And then you go the uh you know mm the sixty days prior or whatever. So we're we're getting to that in just a moment because I did want you to hear what it is that we're talking about first. And I would encourage you, uh right now and we'll I'll mention this at the end again.

You can look up Warrior Worship on any of the popular music platforms, Spotify, Apple Music, all that. You can find on YouTube. You want to make sure that you're checking this out because it's war it's worship music that's a little different Uh there's uh some kind of classic, uh new takes on classic hymns, but there's also a lot of originals that are done not just it's not just this little light fluffy lyrics.

I mean a lot of these songs are theologically rich and have almost a callback to some hymns because of the theological depth to them. And you want it but they're fun too and they're rockers and there's ballads and there's All sorts of stuff in the mix, so don't miss out on checking out Warrior Worship.

Doug:
Or go to on Eagleswings. com and you can actually see all of the videos in one place as as Jesse is opening his mouth, breathing in. Yeah, Jesse, talk to me.

Brad:
What's what's one that comes to mind for you?

Jesse:
Uh well, there's the two aspects of Uh what we get to do in that there's the the people in front of us that w we get to minister to, that we get to serve, uh the the people who come to the conference, the warriors we call them. Uh ministering to them in song and thinking of lyrics that what what do they need to hear? Um that's one aspect of it that's really uh amazing and then the other aspect is like Doug was alluding to, um every year um it's shifted over the years in terms of who plays music and who writes at uh for for Warrior Leadership Summit.

But just seeing God provide not only who we need, but um really give us some cool surprises along the way in terms of uh Oh, so and so wrote this song. Wow, this is this is great. Let's do this.

Or um yeah, let's have this oh this person, let's have them sing this here. This is, you know, and just seeing God uh fill in what we need, when we need it, uh in order to to serve the conference well.

Doug:
It's been real cool. More and more our native friends are are saying, hey W it we'd love to have you hear this song. You think that could be on the project?

And that's what's exciting to me is how many more songs now. are that way. And I'll tell you this real quick.

When you see our native brothers and sisters in Christ worshiping God through song together. It there are times I just have to catch my breath. I'm up there helping lead, but what God is doing in those moments is so powerful.

And spiritually the word I'm only word of God is spiritually majestic that um I I have to catch my breath and not just start bawling because of how great God is. and how how our our our friends, our warrior the warriors are going. I can do this and I can serve um where I am because I've got others that uh love him just like I do.

Brad:
I uh it it really is a tremendous moment to see that in the room and Uh it is uh just what you mentioned as far as some of the uh involvement of people writing and everything else. Uh when you to because I want people to this is one takeaway today. So if you're John notes jot this down that you may be one of the people that you have a gift that you've been hiding Maybe it's because other people have said some things to you that cause you to be insecure about it and so you're hiding it.

Maybe it's because You're just shy and you're like, I don't want to let this out there. But we have seen even at the On Eagles Wings Leadership Center and certainly through Warrior Worship that when people are given an opportunity to express these gifts The things that we see, it's just like, why weren't you doing something with this sooner? So I may don't shortchange the gifts and talents God has given you.

And that's where I want to get to next here. Uh is when you look at Uh Matthew twenty five, you read the story of the talents and you see that there are these gifts, these talents that God gives to people, and it's like, what did you do with this? And it's like, well, I used it.

Well, I hit it. And uh and it is It's going through this and saying, so what are we supposed to do with these talents? Doug, let me start with you because I in people that are trying to figure out God's will in their lives and

Doug:
I'll do it as fast as I can.

Brad:
Your story was not one where even you realize the talent you that God had given you at first. Sometimes God will tap you on the shoulder and um and ask you to try something.

Doug:
And um um don't just don't just uh um blow that off. Uh the the headline, the m movie title, Many Are the Plans In the man's heart. Um, so um, I'm gonna do this as briefly as I can.

I was uh very much into uh high school sport specifically football. It was everything. At that point in my life, it was my God.

I hate that it was, but it was an idol, I should say. Um had a terrible leg injury, uh couldn't play anymore. um depressed about it.

What is going on? How could this happen? My friend Jim, uh, who was a believer a few years older than me, came, tapped me on the shoulder at a pizza place one day and he says, Hey, you're supposed to sing in our band I went, well there's a couple problems here.

Let's start with I've never sung before, which means you've never heard me sing before. How could you possibly think this is a good idea? He said, You know what?

I heard about what happened. I mean I've got this huge leg brace on. He c and he says, I'm telling you, I really feel like God wants you to do this.

I I well I have nothing else to do I'll give it a shot. You can hear how bad I am, and we'll move on. Um I I didn't know what he was doing, but I okay, I'll give it a shot.

Took a leap. It turned into a little something. It's high school, nothing great, but enough where I really started to develop a love for music and for writing.

Um by the way, we had three band names. You did. Three different band names.

They always change when you're in a high school band. Uh one was Fire by Night. The one we had the longest was Long Shot.

But perhaps the crowd favorite My personal favorite was monkey sweat. I wish we would have kept that. Like it was high school.

You know what?

Brad:
What? Like where did long shot come from? Oh wait, you know meant the monkeys.

Doug:
You know what? It's just but it's a good example of just obeying God when he's telling you Jim Jim was w didn't know me super well, and God said, tap that guy in the shoulder uh and tell him this. And he did.

Brad:
And so the pause there real quick. If God puts it on your heart, you're listening, if God puts it on your heart, you could make a difference in someone's life by giving them an opportunity that God Tells you to do even if it makes no sense at the time.

Doug:
And then if God's giving you peace in your heart about it, it's from the Lord. It might sound crazy, but it doesn't mean it's not from him. Um so I'll stop there from now, but because b but there are some more uh cool.

And you also learn guitar then in high school too. Guitar yeah. Yes, exactly.

You know I remember wanting God um when when it was time to Brad, is it time to discuss um the next step getting out to um a reservation or or Soon.

Brad:
You're I want to hear uh Jesse Uh where I don't I I actually see Jesse's behind the hand right now. I don't fully know the answer to this, Jesse. What where did your kind of music involvement uh start just in your life? Where did that interest come from?

Jesse:
Well When I was a teenager, I was r this is gonna sound so ridiculous.

Brad:
You saw a band called Monkey Sweat.

Jesse:
Well Monkey Sweat and inspired me and I just couldn't I just had to make music No, it uh that's too good. I was more into the uh the technology and the recording and um that side of things. I I had a really old computer and had some music software on it.

And I learned the software before I learned much about music. Okay. And so I I really loved um Uh I I collected vinyl.

I was like I liked the idea of of like DJing and everything that goes along with that. And So I didn't really know much about music, but I knew some about recording and about I guess you could say production. Just a little.

And it was bad. So uh that kinda came uh was on hold for um a good while in my my early adulthood, um until we started Warrior Worship. And uh essentially I don't know how I don't remember how it happened, Doug, but maybe you went, Oh, you have you know some experience with recording?

And I was like, psh, yeah, yeah I do. I got so much. I remember that's exactly how you said it.

I was, you know And um really had to grow leaps and bounds through what we did in Warrior War

Doug:
So when did you look at the channel?

Jesse:
I did I said yes.

Doug:
Oh that's really good right there.

Jesse:
I I hack I always tell people I hack my way through playing keys. Uh and that that largely came fr you know, necessity of some other event invention being like, well, we have to you know, play this thing for the album. So let me just figure out how to play it. And so uh it kind of went from there.

Doug:
So I love that what you said there, Doug. Let me say this now. Jesse won't say this about himself and he'll probably try to run in here and cover my but uh not only I but the folks who work with him um our producer, our engineers, the the um everyone that that works with Jesse has now become just by saying yes He is an an an incredible, um, excellent recorder of music, writer of music, performer of music.

And um I'll bet he would say it didn't start out that way, but as but uh just from saying yes Um and it's interesting that he gave Jesse these these ideas and these interests. See, that's the thing is God's not always going to Um, he he gives us these these uh passions and and these loves in our heart, and we might have a plan for what we want to do with that. But so does he.

And and the trick is going he didn't give me these these giftings and these interests for a rea uh uh for uh randomly. He gave them to me for a reason And by saying yes to opportunities that he gives you to serve him, you not only find out where he wants you to go, but you find out what he's capable of doing through Through you. It's it's the loaves and the fish, man.

We Jess and I'll both say there are people more i gifted than us, but we just you bring what he gives you to him and he makes it so much more.

Brad:
I love what uh I actually love what Jesse did on uh dust on this year's album. So you should go check it out. I check out the I really like that.

The whole album's great. The uh that one I had not heard going into it, and that's a powerful one. Um So Doug, uh I I'm gonna be the guy that's gotta try to keep us on track for uh time here, but um tell us uh so from everything God led you to in high school and into college and everything.

How did you wind up really using this gifting specifically in ministry with Native America?

Doug:
So I grew up in suburban New Jersey. Um in the answer. So grew up in suburban New Jersey.

Um ended up at Wheaton College, uh so suburban Chicago there to a desert reservation. Uh very desert. Very, very desert.

Um I I remember when God I I had a completely different plan. My my plan was um once I really got into music was to uh at Wheaton College I was like, I'm gonna go to uh Nashville and become a be big CCM artist and woo woo it'll be great and travel the country and everything and God went, yeah, but here's the thing. Um not Nashville, uh about a thousand miles or so west of that to this to this reservation.

And I really remember going, God, well that doesn't make a whole lot of sense and and you know what my heart is and you say just trust me on this And I'm glad I did. I had wonderful uh family and people, friends around me encouraging me to to listen. Um and I remember wanting God to give me a lot more of the details, by the way.

Okay, well how am I gonna use this gift and um and and where am I gonna live and all those things and all I could get from him was trust me on this I'll tell you where you're supposed to go. I'll tell you who you're supposed to start with there as far as working with, but that's it. You're just supposed to go.

I'll fill in the rest once you get there. So if you're listening today, like, well, I'll just wait until he's given me more of the contract details so much of the time. I remember dad telling telling me when when I was asking about this.

He said, the way God works so much when you're trying to figure out his will is see a step, take a step. See a step, take a step. He'll tell you the next step.

Take it and then he'll tell you the next one. Um so if you're waiting on obedience until the Lord tells you the details. Um, he simply is probably not going to until you've taken the steps he's asking you to take.

Um He won't give you the whole battle plan, but it'll give you the next step. Just as a side note here, um the best way to know God's will is is to get your mind out of the world and into the word. Romans 12, 2, don't conform.

to the pattern of this world. So if you're trying to figure out what is God's will, he tells us. He says, Did you know you can test and approve what my will is?

You can know it. In fact, the Bible says we can have the mind of Christ. You can test and approve God's will, his good, pleasing, and perfect will by letting the word transform you.

So New Jersey to uh not New Jersey to Nashville. um Wheaton to an Arizona uh Native American reservation in the middle of a desolate desert to start a local youth ministry to um to then go into many reservations with the Christian rock brand to bring the gospel um i in the o uh i to bring the gospel all over the country and into Canada that way. And then to uh the Ozarks to a worship music movement with my insanely gifted friend Jesse and And lots of native friends to now presidential leadership of said Hutchcraft Ministries Ministry, just like I drew it up.

Brad:
Just like you drew it up. That's right. There we go.

Oh my goodness, yours The the lines you just drew uh probably would have intersected with the lines that you had for yourself at well, no point. But um I think that uh there's some things that Uh we'll we'll need to wrap up pretty soon here, but Jesse, I've got a question for you as far as uh I'm giving you a heads up again. Something you've learned about following God's will in all of this.

Um The uh when you look at uh the when the music ministry you started out in Arizona, you guys were on a uh record label, same first label that Third Day was on. You had uh charting Christian rock songs, you had uh hits on the Christian charts and everything, but all of that you weren't gonna tour, you made that clear. Your goal through that was just to be able to use it as a vehicle.

to bring the hope of Jesus to native young people. And that's what you did. Like you said, you did, you could have been playing, you won't say this about yourself, just like you were saying things about Jesse and his giftings.

where you could have used them to be much more popular, say well known, whatever it would be, but you were more content in a room with thirty native young people who came out to learn more about Jesus than you were in because I saw you in rooms where there were hundreds of kind of just a typical youth group setting and you liked those two. But you came alive in the others, and that's what you continue to do with Warrior Worship. You continue to say, I want this to help lead native young people closer to Jesus.

Um Jesse, what's something you've learned in in this journey?

Jesse:
Well The more that I've learned the more the less confident I become in my in my my uh my foresight, my uh understanding of how things are gonna play out, like Doug was saying. I mean

Doug:
Just like I drew it up, right?

Jesse:
But there is one thing that does stick out to me that I feel like uh has gotten under my skin to some degree, and it's uh to serve in the capacity that God has given me today. Uh get my eyes out of the binoculars, God's will. Two years off, five years off, ten years off, that it's good to have a plan, but in some respects it's none of my business.

What is God giving me to do today? Who are and and specifically Who are the people that God has put right in front of me to serve? I want to see them.

So often I think the way God's will is painted is that people are treated like stepping stones to get to where I I need to be to be in God's will. And it's the people right in front of me. that are God's will for me today.

And that's what I d so want to stay focused on and not um get worried about what does God's will look like two steps or three steps down the road. Who has God given me to serve? today.

Doug:
And a that is blowing me away. And that is how boy, using uh people as stepping stones, the Serve the person in front of you. And that's your obedience.

And and by the way, a cool side thing, God's going to inform you along the way. He's going that's gonna lead to this, that's gonna lead to this, not as stepping stones, because that's such a great point. But um serving him with the gifts you have today, right now, rather than I'll I'll put this in gear, I'll let people know what I made of once I've hit this point in my plan, it just God just doesn't work that way.

Brad:
We wish he would sometimes, but he just doesn't I'm gonna ask you guys one more question, just a second. It's uh a song or two you think people would be like, man, I I love this one person. I would love to encourage people to check it out.

Because they can we've said you can check out Warri Worship on Spotify, on Apple Music, all these places, at onegleswings. com. But if they're like, man, I where where do I start?

Because there's eleven albums now. Uh where do they start? Uh so I'll go to that in just a second, but uh just to recap some of the things you've heard, God's will is surprising, God's will is exciting.

God's will will take you places where you're just like, wow, I can't believe what I would have missed if I hadn't taken those first steps. uh what Jesse shared about uh letting God's will lead you to the today moments. What does God want me to do today?

Who does he want me to serve today? to be willing to take risks. We also talked about being able to go out there and say I need to follow his will to encourage someone else or maybe to let my gifts shine a little bit more how he wants me to, not to do it for prideful reasons or anything else, but with humility, but to say, Lord, here are my gifts.

What do you want to do with them? So there's a lot that we've covered today about God's will and following God's will and the importance of that and the surprises of it. But w as we wrap up here, Jesse, Doug, Uh what's a couple songs, one or two songs that come to mind that you're like, man, if people were taking something, this is one of the ones that I love to go to Jesse.

Jesse:
No, Doug, you go first. No, I won't go first. I'm just kidding.

I'll go first. Uh uh it so we do we Our albums really are quite diverse musically. Some of them are a lot more kind of straightforward, what you you think of as modern worship music.

A lot of it's more pop and a lot of it's somewhere in between. Um if you were going to if you wanted to listen to something that maybe your church could sing along to, uh Hope of All the World is is a great one that w uh Doug wrote a few years ago. There's one this year called On Eagle's Wings that I think uh well it it it really ties in with uh the ministry that we have here.

If you're gonna go more Just for listening, uh Doug wrote one a few years ago called Forgiven, and I've always felt like that one is possibly the most broadly appealing song that we've done in terms of uh just musically and stuff. So that's all right.

Doug:
There's one song called Upon the Rock that Jesse wrote that um Boy, I think it's we've been singing it for maybe five or six years, and it always when we have to choose songs, it's always on there. It's this incredible. It's kind of sparse musically.

Uh there's a vocal and there's some keys. And uh but it's It's all about no matter what is going on in your life, no matter what the craziness is, I stand on the rock. It's I will always return to Jesus.

And that has just resonated in a huge way with with uh the young people there. There's a song called Rebels that it's a big thing. Well, I was gonna mention that if you didn't.

Brad:
It's gonna be for certain churches out there.

Doug:
But I I love it.

Brad:
Yes, like based on the theme every year of Warrior Leadership Summit, yeah.

Doug:
So WLS one year was Rebels and not of course being rebellious, but being a rebel against what the world is telling you to do and and um you know, Jesus going against the grain, um, some people would say i uh just that that If you are going to um if you're gonna listen, the m the the further the world gets along here, if you're gonna listen to God and obey him, you are a rebel. Um, so the song is basically uh for some reason every year we can't get away with the water.

Brad:
One of the favorites of the Warriors, for sure.

Doug:
But it's interesting because the I don't think it's because so much the music or anything like that. It's because the message of it is that no matter what, you have to be willing to take a stand for Jesus Christ no matter what your environment is. And some of these young people come from if you know our ministry in Native America and you know anything about Native America, they come from some of the most difficult, awful Um, it just sometimes the background, some dysfunction in family and and all and there's a lot of a can be a lot of abuse around and everything.

But the bottom line is No matter what people are saying about this Jesus, I take a stand for him. And that's so as I'm actually discussing it right now, it's interesting. Upon the rock And Rebels both have that theme that no matter what, I'm sticking with Jesus.

And I think that that's uh the heart in a lot of ways of Warrior Leadership Summit.

Brad:
And it's the heart of following God's will, sticking with Jesus. Uh you didn't mean to do that, but you did that. I am Can we rewind I'm so I would also encourage you to check out Uh Light Up the Night.

Doug:
I've got one's racing through my head, but that's the only song I think that we have done The last ten years in a row. Yeah, it came out early.

Brad:
And that actually that your church may want to sing that one too. Um but it is There are uh, and actually I do think on the On Eagles Wings website, there's some chords and everything, I think, for Warrior Worship songs. Actually, we don't hold that back.

So uh there you go. Um, this is all fantastic. I my hope is that you guys, as you're listening and thinking about God's will for your life, that you'll also Find some new tunes here to jam out to this summer.

What time for a great summer fun playlist? Because there's some fun songs. There's some deep meaningful songs.

Check out Warrior Worship wherever you're finding your music. Check out Warrior Worship. Uh don't look for it on vinyl yet.

We would love to someday actually. But I uh we are uh so glad you joined us for this podcast today. This is one small story From Doug and Jesse's lives.

There's so much more God has done in and through them, but I really asked them. They were I had to push a little bit to do this today because I really wanted to hear It is so much to learn about following and knowing and doing God's will in this.

Doug:
Just trust him. Just trust him.

Brad:
So keep listening to him this summer and we'll be back in touch with this soon with more another guest here on Go Mad with Doug and Brad. So until next time. Gaumère.