Native America, Thanksgiving & Turducken (with special guest Seth Stevens) | Go M.A.D. | Hutchcraft Ministries

Jesse:
Welcome friends to the third episode of season two. After Doug and Brad finish their generous portions of turduckin and canned cranberry sauce, they get to kick off Native American Heritage Month by chatting with our good friend Seth Stevens. Seth is an integral part of the On Eagleswin's team and shares some of his story, from growing up on the Navajo Reservation to where he is today.

Seth's story is full of hope. You don't want to miss it. The links mentioned in today's episode are listed in the description.

Okay? Let's go, man!

Brad:
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Go Mad with Doug and Brad. We are here and we've got Jesse in the studio with us too. Today, in case you wonder what am I tuning in for?

Well, today We have got a special guest in studio with us. Seth Stevens will be joining us in just a couple of minutes, and we are excited for you to get to know a little bit. about him.

But first, Doug, we've got new listeners. People are tuning in. I do.

What they're right now they're saying, why am I tuning in?

Doug:
We talk about Thanksgiving every day, every episode, wait a minute. My notes. No. I'm sorry, we're talking about Thanksgiving today.

We're getting to that. I'm a little confused. Now really what we love to do here, we love that scripture where it says that we are Christ's ambassador.

That means if Jesus is telling a story, is telling a truth to this world. It is through us. So what does that mean for us on a day-to-day basis?

Wherever I work, whatever my relationships are, tons of situations. There's a lot of them. So we try to hit that and man I am so psyched that Seth is is gonna be with us today.

I can't wait to get to that

Brad:
Now when uh here we are the month of November. We are closing in, like you said, on Thanksgiving, and that's one of the things that people think of when they think November. It's probably the first thing that comes to mind is Thanksgiving, turkey, all of that.

Jesse, is it multiple choice? Your favorite day for eating or your favorite day of eating? Which is which would you go with for Thanksgiving?

Your favorite or your favorite? It's the same. What?

Jesse:
It's not a What? Uh the first one.

Brad:
The first one, your favorite day of eating. I like that. Yeah. Doug, what's your favorite thing? Uh is it you you kind of like some extravagant things at Thanksgiving, don't you? It's not that I I

Doug:
like extravagant things, but I do have some strangely strong feelings against some of foods.

Brad:
Like We've had we've had arguments about this over the Thanksgiving dinner table, actually.

Doug:
So when you dump it on your food, mmm, can you want so yummy?

Brad:
I can do an impression. Opening the can and emptying it out. Here's the sound.

Doug:
Here we go.

Brad:
Is that good? Is that that's the that's the Wait, you need to wipe off your laptop there. So I I understand what you're saying, but I do love it. I'm just gonna be honest.

Doug:
Who thought of turduckin? I I wanna know. This turduckin means someone sitting there, not only going, gee, I wonder what it would taste like to put a turkey and a duck together, but that's a big thing.

And a chicken. No, it's turkey, duck, and chicken. Okay, so that's when someone is like in a barn or in a kitchen going, I'm going to put these three together.

That means they had to be like sewing them or or something, Ma. Oh gosh. That is I don't really funny.

Jesse:
I think they were a bit of a visionary because they understand everything in on your f Thanksgiving plate just gets mixed together anyway. You know what? You just it's one flavor.

It just all becomes one flavor anyway. Why not pre-package it? It's still messed up.

Doug:
But still, I like good thought behind it. One flavor. Yeah. So you you use the cranberry sauce, then everything can taste like can.

Brad:
Can so we we also have the other thing that comes to mind Thanksgiving But we also have no shave November. That's a big thing. There, you know, the you you even see it on like national news outlets and everything.

Guys are growing like weird mustaches and we shouldn't be looking the way we are. So is it I I'm wondering. Jesse Doug, can you grow a beard?

Well Doug has one right now, so I guess that's a yes.

Doug:
It's a sort of i i let's be honest, some dudes it should be like Should shave November or or please shave November. I I can kind of grow a beard, but I will be I'm the f first guy and actually Brad I get beard envy with you. My thing is really you know you know like people oh he looks so distinguished there's there's kind of a salt and pepper thing Mine is either completely white or completely brown, it's like root beer beard or something.

So I get I get beard envy and Did you just say root beer beard? Yes. That's a new thing.

And the other thing is, is when I start to grow it out like at a man level, I have these Little patch areas where it it's not growing.

Brad:
Oh no, I I have a couple of those myself. Yeah. I'm I'm not I'm not fully a man yet, evidently.

Doug:
I'm just gonna tell you something. That started in college Note to every guy here, if you try it, a magic marker does not work. If you get the right color.

Well, it works, but for too long. You shouldn't use purple. No use didn't come off for about two months.

Brad:
So we have Thanksgiving. We have No Shave November. But one of the things that I have found actually is uh Off most people's radar.

I've actually done uh some interviews with folks and talked to people, just friends of mine. And all of a sudden I'll mention, you know, it's also Native American Heritage Month, and there's like the Well yeah, totally, totally knew that. Um, but the people just they don't realize that this month actually is set aside.

just for kind of taking a look, closer look at all things Native America as far as and for us that really means taking a look at what God is doing in Native America. through some of the incredible on Eagleswings team members that we work with and that we get to spend our lives with and everything. And headline

Doug:
Most of us are not here without Native Americans because we didn't exactly know what in the world we were doing when we got here. And I will say that uh I have a Uh Navajo wife. Okay.

We've been married twenty eight years. Yeah. And I really had to do the math fast in my head and I'm pretty sure I got it wrong, but it's it's about that.

So my um I have a daughter, Noelle, and she comes home from first grade and they're they were learning about Thanksgiving and everything and and she goes, Daddy, this is awesome. I'm like, what's up, honey? She says Well, we learned about pilgrims and Native Americans and I'm both.

There you go. She she's got both lots. That's pretty cool.

Yeah, but you're right. Uh Native American Heritage Month That's why I'm so thrilled that we have in studio here with us today, Seth Stevens, who is honestly, I'm gonna look you in the face in the eyes. Right now, Seth, so you know I mean this.

You are one of the most amazing ministry minds I know, one of the smartest guys I know, so much intelligence as it as it pertains to ministry and life and leadership. So I'm thrilled that you're here today.

Brad:
So welcome Seth to Go Mad. Great to be here. Thank you guys so much for having me.

This is the highlight of your year, isn't it? That you get to be on this Podcast. Now you have to look us in the eyes and answer that.

So what we're gonna do real quick is some rapid fire questions with Seth. We're gonna go around here, each of us can ask you a couple questions and uh get to know you But I would just love to point out that Seth is now a part of our team here, our staff full-time, doing ministry day in and day out with Native American young people. He's our student life coordinator.

for the On Eagles Wings Leadership Center, which is a gap year program. But before that, I mean he has got a long list of accomplishments in ministry. He doesn't sit there and talk about these, but we can.

Seth was uh involved with networking with youth pastors out on the Navajo Reservation, Navajo Nation out there in New Mexico and Arizona. He was also the outreach coordinator for the Navajo Chaplaincy Corps. Seth was a chaplain out there and he was pouring into people's lives and working with other chaplains out there.

And so we're just incredibly excited, not just to have you as a guest here today. but to have you and your amazing wife Sarah part of our team here at Ron Hutchcraft Ministries.

Doug:
And might I say a mean percussionist.

Brad:
Too. It's true.

Doug:
Man can play the cone and many other wonderful percussion instruments.

Brad:
Including the egg. Yes. Yep, there we go.

Doug:
I have never seen anyone play the egg with such excellence.

Brad:
Oh man. All right. Okay.

Well well moving on from there. So here we go, Seth. Rapid fire.

Okay. What month is your birthday in? April.

Okay. How well do we know Seth? That was fantastic.

We're gonna help Seth know himself better right now.

Seth:
Uh I feel like I'm like T T S A or something. Like, I can't get this wrong, but by not trying to get so wrong, I'm gonna get something that's awesome.

Doug:
Best sugary cereal.

Seth:
Cinnamon toast crunch. Nice.

Brad:
I can go there. All right, favorite time of year? Summer. Just any summer?

Seth:
Uh summer in the southwest.

Brad:
Southwest summer. That really it is different because summer here is like, you know, you're melting and I'm just I don't like the humidity. But all right. Cats or dogs?

Seth:
Dogs.

Brad:
Why?

Seth:
Because Wow, follow-up. Well, well, this is what how it was explained to me. Right.

That we can either be a dog or a cat when it comes to worshiping God. Whoa. Okay.

So so okay, so a way when you get a dog, a pet, whether it's a cat or dog, you have to provide for it, right? Right. You have to give it food, you have to give it a place to live.

And a dog sees that and it's like This this person's providing for me my food where I sleep. They must be God. Now you look at a cat and say, this person provides for me, feeds me, cleans my litter.

I must be God. Plus plus cats smell funny. Yes.

Brad:
Alright, I go with you on dogs. Now this is a I I usually could just ask favorite food, but what food Lasagna. Lasagna.

Wow, he was ready with that. Five cheese lasagna. Easy.

I like that.

Doug:
All right. Definitely. Seth, if you could be any fictional character. Who and why and why is it going to be Bo Duke from the Duke's event?

Seth:
Bo Duke. I mean Boss Hog. No, there we go.

Doug:
Why not? It's a suit. The suit was in that car.

Brad:
Oh wow, you're right. That's a good one. All right.

Now, Seth, we we can move all past this. Or we could have a lot of fun for a long time here, but I we really want people to get to know your heart a little bit more. And Well could you just share with us a little bit?

We uh we talked so much on this show and with a lot of other people about hope stories. It's a simpler word for testimony and everything, just people giving stories of hope. Can you tell us a little bit about yours?

Seth:
Yes, I'd love to. Um well I was born young. Good.

That's a good place to start. Yes, let's start from the beginning. Um I grew up on the Navo Nation.

My mom and my father both Um, we're very active in the native community. My father was grew up very traditional, um, so he raised us that way. Um, I grew up with a lot of questions, and I guess that's this Always been there.

I've always questioned a lot of things, even our own culture, of why do we do this? Um, and but there was really no answer to it. It was always, well, we just do it because you're Navo.

You're Navajo, so you have to be Navajo. There is no other option. I grew up with really no choice in life.

It feels like. I didn't choose to be Navajo. I didn't choose to my parents.

I didn't choose the area I grew up in. That's just where I was. And as I grew up in that, there was a lot of abuse from my father.

with alcohol, drugs, and the way he treated our family physically. Um it was it felt very helpless and I had again no choice to choose who my father was. I wish at times I could have been old enough to handle a little better, but I was a child and I it felt very helpless to not be able to do anything to help my family.

At the age of 10, my father had taken his own life and I pushed away everything I thought that was Native American in me. the language, the way I, you know, my my again, what I would want to do in the future, which was preserve the culture, those things I kind of said, I don't want to, stepped away from it. Because I didn't see it work for my father, so I thought it would never work for me.

And I had such a hate towards my father. And I took that on everyone and anyone who was around me. As I got into school, which is probably one of the hardest places you can send any young person, is into a a high school.

Um, with all this anger and and um you know, just just hopelessness as I walked through the hallways. Um, I took it on my teachers, any authority that was there, I took it out on. And I started hurting myself in the process of doing drugs myself and and and hurting my community by offering it to others.

So I again it was just it just felt like darkness and I was just going through the emotions of life it felt. Like I had no direction. I had no goals outside of just how do I get through today?

There was no five-year plan. My plan was to survive. Wow.

And when I got out of high school, I knew I had to get a job. I ended up at a dead-end job and I wasn't a deep or serious relationship. that I shouldn't have been in with a girl and those all ended it seemed like all at once and I felt hopeless.

And at that moment I thought Well, this is probably the only time in my life I'd ever admit that I feel closest to my father on what he may have thought before he ended his life.

Doug:
Wow, man.

Seth:
And I thought, I don't want to go on another day. It's too exhausting. I do not have the capacity to face another day.

And I decided, well, I'm gonna take my own life. And my brother found me in my condition and took me to the hospital. And I'm here today by The grace of God that he he he he sent my brother who might me and my brother never get along.

And that's the first time he's ever asked me to go out for dinner, and the last time. And it has that been a God thing who who put it on my brother's heart to come in and ask me if I wanted to go for dinner and saw me and my condition and took me to the hospital. Wow.

But from there, I I started asking the question, well, why why are we here? And that's not a that's not a unique question. Everyone has that question.

Um, and I'm no different because it's almost as if it's programmed inside of us. And for native people, um, we see creation, we see that there is a God. Um, but I think a lot of times we settle for just worshiping what he created, not the creator himself.

And the creator not being using that term as an how it's being used today, but more of just that's a part of who he is is creating. But there's so much more to him that I didn't know. And as I was invited to a Bible study by a good friend, I went there and I was hesitant the whole time because I did not know anything about the Bible.

I didn't know anything about Jesus. I Other than just the stereotypes of Jesus is a white man, he's, you know, he's not for us was what I was always told. As I get to this Bible study, we go through Genesis and we start seeing a God who creates I got that part.

But then I start seeing a God who loves and a God who is kind and who is perfect. Those are things I've never heard of. And a God who wants a relationship with us.

That for me was was a lot of the questions I had growing up is why would I want to worship a God that's only for this portion of people? When the whole world if it's God to be God, how you everyone has to worship one God if it's to be truth I never got that. It was so inclusive with the Navajo belief system.

And many native belief systems are very inclusive of just believe what you believe and let us believe what we believe. But for God to be God, it has to be truth and it has to be exclusive. And for me, I couldn't settle for, okay You know, that's good enough for me.

No, I wanted to know more about this God in the Bible of of who I was hearing about. And as I spent time in Old Testament seeing just, you know, God's people, seeing, you know, the promises and and how God's gonna bring us out. For me, I was like, wow, this God is so patient with his people.

And how, you know, that's a father. And I wish, you know, um, it was sort of as the time was going, it was like as I was thinking of my father and and kind of putting him beside God the Father, which is not a a good way to compare things, but it's all I had at the time to go off of the word Father. We start getting into the Bible and we got into the New Testament and we start seeing prophecy fulfilled through the Messiah Jesus Christ.

And this is the first time Jesus Christ is brought to me. Little I know I was reading by him the whole time through Old Testament. And I see it in New Testament, I'm like, Jesus Christ.

And I'm like, okay. It talks about all the things he had to do. And Isaiah becomes like the words of Isaiah become into the flesh of Jesus Christ as he's pro fulfilling prophecy.

And you see this lamb that's that's that's sent to to be slain and to be you know murdered and killed for us, that's Jesus. And as you see the parallel of this innocent, um um person and taking our crimes and our punishment himself and dying. I said, that's the God I want to serve.

That's the God who can who can answer for my sin and who can again resurrect from the dead and defeat death. And that's what the God I want to follow. And as I gave my life, I sat there for four hours in the parking lot.

And I and I cried. I I yelled. Because I was like, this is hard, God.

You're asking me to give up everything. You're asking me to to um little did I know he wasn't asking me to give up, you know. everything about myself, but he was he uh he told me asking me to surrender to him and give those things back to him.

And so I sat there and I said, you know what? You know, I was weighing the cost. And I was like, my family's gonna hate me.

My friends are going to leave me. My I will never find a girl who would who would who would want to date, you know, at least the girls I knew that I liked at the time were like They didn't want Christian men. Um, so I was like, I'm I would be alone.

Wow. But in reality, it's like God tells us you won't be alone. He says, I'll be there with you.

And I thought, well, that's the best feeling I could ever have is is something a person who would never leave me And I thought, well, God, you make so much sense. You are worthy of all worship. I am going to follow you for the rest of my life.

And there is no other purpose and reason I have here other than to worship you and follow you wherever you would lead me and never question it. Wow. Ever since giving my life to Christ, immediately the Holy Spirit being inside me, I was able to look at scripture in a different way.

It was as if it made sense. I I wasn't I wasn't trying to learn to read the Bible. I was reading to learn at that point.

And it felt so great to feel connected and be in this relationship with the one who created me. And God has blessed that over and over again since. And even down to my wife, to the forgiveness of my father, that I can forgive him today.

Wow. And and know that because I have been forgiven for much, I can forgive my father. And all the hurts and pains of growing up of the people who have hurt me, I have nothing but love, you know, to give to those people if they were ever to meet me again.

And all I want to do now is be on mission for God. To go out and tell people of what he has done in my life and ultimately what he can do in their lives. and change eternities.

Doug:
I mean, thank you for sharing all that, Seth. I mean I'm I'm honestly kind of blown away here. I don't think I've heard all of those details before and I'm just getting this mental picture of you in this parking lot for four hours weighing the cost.

And truly, that is truly choosing Jesus, understanding the cost and saying, I want you no matter what. I mentioned earlier my wife is Navajo, and she said Uh, I asked her about her experience when she came to know Jesus when w very early on in our relationship and she said something interesting. She said I was Told all along that that was not the Navajo way.

But she said, when I asked Jesus into my heart, she said, I never felt more truly Navajo Then when I did that, she said because she felt she was finally complete and full and she finally was right with her creator. Um so it it's just i what you're saying is just I'm I'll bet resonating with a lot of folks right now.

Brad:
I'm j I'm blown away by it. So that I I for me too, I it's interesting because we travel together all summer for a few years and get to talk with you all the time and I've heard your story, but uh once again, it just it just hits me and I find myself getting a little emotional um as I'm listening to it because I think because I'm Seeing in my mind in my heart people on the other side right now listening to this. And some things that I take away in listening to you right now is that you were willing to ask questions and you and it was okay, it was good to ask questions.

That it wasn't just about accepting the status quo or anything else. And that applies to anybody. That We can ask those questions.

But more importantly, right now, I feel like I don't know if it's someone that's listening now or they'll share it with a friend or something that'll hear this, but I feel like that hopelessness that someone is feeling that right now, that they are hearing that and saying, Yeah, I they may even have a relationship with Jesus, but they've lost sight of what that means. They've lost sight of the hope that can be there in Jesus. And what you're sharing with them is there there is hope in Jesus.

There is freedom that you can find. We sometimes have folks pray at the end of an episode, but I just want to pause real quick and see if you'd be Willing to pray for anyone that's listening right now who just is in need of hope.

Seth:
Yes.

Brad:
Yeah.

Seth:
Well, dear Father, we come to you now just thankful for your goodness. And Father, I pray for those who are listening. Father, would you work in their heart and and mess them up in a good way?

Mm-hmm. Father, I just pray for their community, their their coworkers, their church members and Father, those who are close and dear to them, whether they're children or extended family, Father, I pray for. Just you to move in their heart and to just stir them up.

And Father, I pray that those now whose hearts are broken, Father, that you would again just give them the strength and boldness needed to speak and proclaim who you are. Father, give them discernment of the timing when that's needed. Father, give them the again endurance needed to love on people as it is draining.

Father, I pray that again their their minds would be renewed daily as they dive into your word. And Father, as you give them the words to speak, as you give them the patience that's needed to work with others. As you give them, again, just the ability to do a ministry of presence if needed with these people.

Father, would you again just be there with them as you are, as you say in Scripture that you are with us Father, as you as you chose to dwell inside of us through your Holy Spirit as we are your temple, Father, would we again be encouraged, knowing that you are good. And Father, be encouraged knowing that you do not change, and be encouraged to know that you sit on a throne that is solid, that is unshaking, and Father, that you are a God above all other gods. And Father, I just pray that you'd bring many to come to know who you are.

Father, they would have a a a moment in their life where they look and question and see just what is wrong in this world and look and know that you You control all of it, that you have created all of this, and that you want a relationship with them. Father, I pray that they would come to know who you are, and I pray those who really question and seek Because you call us to seek and you and we will find the answers. That we will not settle for creation alone, that we would not settle just for um our our security and our banking accounts, but Father, that we would continue to seek you with everything we have and that we will find you.

And your word, uh Father, that we would be able to dive into it and let it guide us But Father, I just thank you so much again for those who are listening. Father, may they see what you are doing and continue to do here in the lives of many. And Father, we just give you all the praise and all the glory and pray in your name, Lord Jesus.

Amen. Amen.

Doug:
Amen. Seth, this is so much wisdom. I mean, we could spend a long time.

Um Talking. But I I you know, this is Native American Heritage Month, and um I encourage anyone listening to go just Google that. and get some idea of what's really happening in Native America, the history, what it's like now.

Um I if I would really do that and also check out on the eagleswings. com to see some of the great things God is doing in Native America. through Native Americans.

But I if I were you, if as a listener, go and look into this because I will tell you this. My life is so much richer for the relationships I have with my Native American friends because there is wisdom and truth uh and beauty that I don't believe I would have experienced otherwise but through those relationships. people listening, some maybe know what's going on in Native America these days, might know the history.

Some like I was at one point in my life, barely knew anything. Let me ask you this, Seth. Um what does a person Who is who sitting there listening, they know little or nothing about Native America.

What do you think they need to know about Native America and Native Americans just to get the ball rolling

Seth:
Yes, I th I think they should know that these were peoples who were here, the First Nations, the first people to occupy this area. And I think with Thanksgiving as you as it's being brought up, um It depending on the tribes, because there's so many tribes represented. I think now right now I think there's a little over six hundred present, but I can only imagine how many were.

um four or five hundred years ago that populated these areas. And again, with such diversity in this in in within a huge population, it's hard to s to speak for one Native American, I think that general blanket thrown over every Native person is a disservice to how unique they are as individuals. that God does not see them as Native Americans, but sees them as their tribe and as their personal name.

Wow. And I think that that makes all the difference when we start seeing Native as Not just um one people, but many, many people and tribes represented under that title.

Brad:
It's really interesting to you say that, Seth, because in all these books and movies and TV and all the artwork and everything else, we see this kind of homogeneous image of this is Native Americans. And what you're saying, I I think is so important for people to hear that these different tribes and the individuals are so unique. You do that with any race and it leads to challenges, it leads to problems, it leads to heartbreak and everything else to say, all this group is a certain way.

where there is so much richness, as Doug was saying, and diversity and individuality. So I love that you point that out because you said unique. that is unique in an amazing way is what I would add.

Doug:
I remember uh dad, some of you all listening know Ron, and we were talking about uh just how much hate and violence and racism was going on in the country. And he said the problem is once you start to categorize people, once someone becomes a category, they are losing the image of God in them, in your mind, because everyone is individual. And I thought that was powerful and it really resonates with me what you're saying. That is that's a lot of wisdom

Brad:
Now we're we've got a couple more minutes together. Let me ask this follow-up question then. If someone were going to a native community, which some people just say reservation, but we know Native communities are all over the place.

They're huge populations in city centers and all over the place. So someone goes into a native community, they see a 18-year-old young man. Young lady out walking around.

What what are some words or phrases you were to describe as kind of the that native young person in today's world?

Seth:
Yes. Well in today's world because of like social media, people have phones now and internet has really opened up a lot of um the world to to native people that they're able to look and see. They don't necessarily have to leave the reservations.

They can experience a lot on the internet, but I you know, through that the the culture has changed a lot. And I and I think with that is there's there's they've been exposed to more um fashion, first of all, I will say. Um so when you see a native person, a lot of things have changed.

I think one is is the language, not many know the language

Brad:
Um which Yeah, I've seen that, yeah, for sure.

Seth:
So you don't necessarily have to know all the language to get to know a young person who's native. Um, but I assume that the hurts and pains um are not so different from what the rest of the world is experienced with their young people. It's good. When it comes to depression and and and loneliness and maybe even being bullied Um but what I un but what I've seen is when it's focused on reservations, um, the national average seems to kinda go up when it comes to suicide. And when you see native people, when we get to go to reservations, young people We may not know the personal hurts that they have, but we come there and whenever time I'm able to present for native people I'm like I'm coming not um here to say I can speak for all people, but I can talk on the common hurts and pains that they have experienced.

Brad:
Oh so good.

Seth:
So when I see in a young native person, if you see one Um they need someone to reach out to them and love on them just as much as anyone else.

Brad:
So I think that's what I'm hearing some real practical takeaway value for people listening right now because the reality is that what you just said is full of wisdom as far as, hey, I don't have to go there and know everything specifically about them. You know generally some things about them. But like you said, they're individuals.

They're unique. And But you can go in and say, I know the hurt that you've experienced. I know the things that are challenging for.

I know what's causing the hurt. And I have found hope and here's where that hope comes from. His name is Jesus.

Anybody listening can do that with the people that are around them in their lives.

Doug:
If folks listening have been in the same boat we've all been in, where we go you know, that person is has a different background than me, that person um had a different w upbringing than me Um, we grew up in different types of places, we're different ages, and and we go, maybe I should leave it to someone else to to to communicate, maybe I should leave it to someone else to have a a a meaningful relationship. with them but from what I'm hearing you say Seth is at the at the end of the day we've all got the same needs. We all need the same God.

And so why wait and leave that relationship to somebody else when God is calling you to be an ambassador? to that person, i even if there is an age difference, even if there is a skin color difference, even uh you know, whatever these things that always seem to separate us. That is uh great advice, man.

Brad:
So Seth, as you're sharing about your people, uh can you just tell us what some way if someone's listening right now and they're like, man, I didn't know some of this. And again I we uh would love for you to check out there's another site, hopeforNative america dot com. You can see a lot of what's going on, what is happening through Seth and others like him who are sharing the hope of Jesus. But what's a way people can be specifically praying for those that you represent? What's a way they can be praying for Native American people of all ages?

Seth:
Yes, um pray pray that the the people who inhabited originally here would become worshipers of a god worthy of worship.

Doug:
Whoa, whoa

Seth:
And and imagine these First Nations people where we cannot separate life from worship, life from things that are sacred. Everything we do is tied in with spirituality and worship. Imagine what that would do for the kingdom of God if they were only worshiping Jesus Christ. They would not just be a a a mission field, but as most would be saying now, they would be a a great mission force to be sent out.

Brad:
Which we are seeing. Yes. Which we are seeing some of the first fruits of that as you guys are leading the way for your people in that very answer to prayer.

Seth, thank you for sharing that as far as how to pray because the reality is. We should be praying that for you, for those you represent. But the reality is that that's a prayer that everyone listening to this should be praying in their lives.

That No other God before the one true God. We have got to be able to do that in our own lives. So what an encouraging prayer.

I thank you for sharing that. And really as we wrap up here, Seth, thank you very much for being part of things today and entering into the mix with Go Mad with Doug and Brad.

Doug:
Yeah, and if you would, uh if you if you catch this on uh with Apple Podcasts or wherever, if you would leave a review. Um share it with a friend or two. If you're enjoying us, you're being blessed by it. We are really praying that you will share it with the friend.

Seth:
So from all of us to all of you, go mad!